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Post by dalemorton on Oct 17, 2018 3:36:49 GMT
it was talked about a little at the meeting but no decision that I can remember are coil overs allowed ?
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Post by Bethel GM on Oct 17, 2018 3:38:23 GMT
rule #6 > 6.5 Original cross member may be replaced with square tubing or heavy wall thickness tubing. rule #2 Rear cross member maybe replaced if rusted, but must remain in stock configuration. which rule is it you intend to follow ?? FIXED
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Post by Bethel GM on Oct 17, 2018 3:40:58 GMT
it was talked about a little at the meeting but no decision that I can remember are coil overs allowed ? Yes, and those cars that have them have to weigh minimum of 3250. We may have to play with percentages and total weight to get them right, but I feel it's a good starting point. I remember that you questioned the strut types and the adjustments. That was addressed in the rules
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Post by john56h on Oct 17, 2018 15:30:15 GMT
I thought at the meeting it was agreed that minimum wheelbase would be 107" not 104". also truck arm and late model style chassis when set up right do have a significant advantage, adding weight or changes to percentages , engine was discussed as possible equalizers if said chassis did show an advantage ? After further investigating the chassis in question, the cars have a minimum of 104. Yes we will be monitoring the chassis and their lap times, and adjust as needed if we see any advantages to become a dominant car. Starting with the weights and percentages will be where we go first. This year's data shows that these cars were equal to the stock clip type chassis. It is stated in the rules that we have the ability to change the percentages and weights if needed. That was to cover all competitors involved It was my understanding that the track wants to encourage the maximum car count possible by making allowances for some previously not allowed type chassis. Part of the problem is the "perception" by potential participants that their cars will not be competitive. The written rules need to make teams with stock clip chassis feel as though they will still be competitive. Offering an initial weight incentive is one way that might be accomplished. Rather than re-evaluating the tube clip cars in the future, if they become dominant, why not re-evaluate the weight incentive given to the stock clip cars in the case that they become the dominant cars? There are a lot more stock clip cars around the local area than tube clip....Bethel needs to motivate those teams to participate more regularly.
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Post by john56h on Oct 17, 2018 15:33:04 GMT
Don't recall hearing or saying that, but the car that won the most and the championship is a stock clip and setup. The variety of suspensions have been competitive with the others in the class. You specifically talked of great advantages that truck-arm suspensions have and seemed as though you were about to limit them, until Crawson reminded you that both his cars have such suspension.
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Post by Bethel GM on Oct 17, 2018 20:01:47 GMT
I wouldn’t not allow them as I am aware of his cars as well as a few others with these suspension combinations.
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Post by Bethel GM on Oct 18, 2018 0:22:52 GMT
John, I'm going to let others weigh in on the weight differences advantages, or disadvantages, with the different chassis, before we move forward with a decision on this.
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Post by john56h on Oct 18, 2018 1:11:06 GMT
John, I'm going to let others weigh in on the weight differences advantages, or disadvantages, with the different chassis, before we move forward with a decision on this. Yeah....see if others have similar concerns as mine. I have my Malibu siting in the corner of the garage still needing the fame replaced....but truthfully I just don't see any incentive to rebuild it as a Pro-Stock. In my case, the car can be repaired as a Street Stock, but many of the Pro-Stocks that went to aluminum bodies and floor boards, setback motors, 9" rears, etc...don't have that option. So I ask, what incentive is there to continue to participate with a stock clip car?
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Post by dalemorton on Oct 21, 2018 2:06:34 GMT
it was talked about a little at the meeting but no decision that I can remember are coil overs allowed ? Yes, and those cars that have them have to weigh minimum of 3250. We may have to play with percentages and total weight to get them right, but I feel it's a good starting point. I remember that you questioned the strut types and the adjustments. That was addressed in the rules so what would the rule be as far as spring mounting and minimum car weight for truck arm cars ?
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Post by Bethel GM on Oct 27, 2018 0:40:15 GMT
After further investigating the chassis in question, the cars have a minimum of 104. Yes we will be monitoring the chassis and their lap times, and adjust as needed if we see any advantages to become a dominant car. Starting with the weights and percentages will be where we go first. This year's data shows that these cars were equal to the stock clip type chassis. It is stated in the rules that we have the ability to change the percentages and weights if needed. That was to cover all competitors involved It was my understanding that the track wants to encourage the maximum car count possible by making allowances for some previously not allowed type chassis. Part of the problem is the "perception" by potential participants that their cars will not be competitive. The written rules need to make teams with stock clip chassis feel as though they will still be competitive. Offering an initial weight incentive is one way that might be accomplished. Rather than re-evaluating the tube clip cars in the future, if they become dominant, why not re-evaluate the weight incentive given to the stock clip cars in the case that they become the dominant cars? There are a lot more stock clip cars around the local area than tube clip....Bethel needs to motivate those teams to participate more regularly. The incentive on this is the Champion's car from this year is a stock metric frame car.
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